Former finance minister, Pravin Gordhan was in the hot seat on The Eusebius McKaiser show.
Gordhan held office at the National Treasury until end March 2017 before him and his deputy Mcebisi Jonas were axed based on a so-called intelligence report by President Jacob Zuma.
To kick off the conversation, Gordhan weighs in on the corruption in South Africa, the state and private sector. He explains that South Africa's past is deeply rooted in corruption where the nature of the apartheid state and how it operated is revealed in recent research and literature.
What corruption does ultimately is take away resources that the poor should have access to. It also takes away resources from investment which is quite an important component in stimulating growth which will therefore generate jobs.— Pravin Gordhan, Former finance minister
Gordhan goes on to say that the conversation that should be had, is the relationship between corruption as a mindset, corruption as a practice and corruption as part of an overall system practiced in the world today, where the focus is to get rich quickly and imbalances within the global economy.
Gordhan tells McKaiser corruption in the private sector emanates from how much an individual or organisation wishes to make from profits and which lines they are willing to cross. He adds that peer pressure is another component of corruption to consider.
For a fee KPMG were willing partners in a state capture project.— Pravin Gordhan, Former finance minister
Sooner or later South Africans are going to demand accountability. At some stage people who have caused institutional destruction and decimated those institutions which our critical for our society and future generations need to be held to account.— Pravin Gordhan, Former finance minister
I can foresee the equivalent, not necessarily of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission but there has to be some kind of truth and something commission.— Pravin Gordhan, Former finance minister
In the course of the struggle, the historical challenge would be to restore the right values in the next five years and whether or not the national liberation movement can be saved from what is deemed their historical fate explains Gordhan.
He says hope is linked to the capability and willingness to struggle, adding that hope doesn't stem from nowhere. The former finance minister goes on to say if the ANC can recognise the problem then they can generate hope amongst its followers and the country.
Gordhan says arriving at principled unity is another important conversation that should be had within the ANC. He further it is possible to take the ANC to better heights that will strengthen the organisation.
Where do i see that hope coming from? I see it from a Cyril Ramaphosa campaign says Gordhan.
Take a listen to the full interview in the audio below:
This article first appeared on 702 : Pravin Gordhan believes Cyril Ramaphosa carries hope for the ANC