Guest : Christelle Marais, Executive Director - Lucidum Consulting and member of
The Institute of Risk Management South Africa
It was with a confusing combination of anger, sadness, guilt and frustration that I
completed my reading of Pieter-Louis Myburgh’s ‘Gangster State’ recently:
Anger – about the disrespectful arrogance with which the dreams of millions were
stolen, while they trustingly looked on.
Sadness – over the blood, sweat and tears that made this country, built a new society
after 1994 and the blood, sweat and tears that will rebuild it again, after the capture.
Guilt – like many of my risk management colleagues, wondering if we could have done
more to prevent the rot (causes) or to uncover what was going on (consequences) as
part of our risk management effort in public and private organisations (because as
‘Gangster State’ suggests: it takes two to tango!).
And then – frustration. Ah, maybe my frustration weighs heaviest on my heart… But
frustration of the kind that would do it all over again, if someone would just listen, if
someone would just take me seriously.
While reading ‘Gangster State’ I was reminded of whistle-blower Harry Markopolos’
book ‘No One Would Listen’ about his investigation into the Madoff investment scandal
and how the US Securities and Exchange Commission failed to heed his warnings.
I was struck deeply by many who warned about what was happening in the Free State,
such as Patrick Lekota, who’s highlighting of concerns went ignored (at best) and
purposely thwarted (at worst); the Goldhawk report, with scathing findings on irregular
loans; the Auditor-General, with many reports on the lack of financial controls and
disregard for legislative compliance; Beatrice Marshoff, trying to appoint MECs that
could do the job, but instructed to appoint Ace Magashule; and Noby Ngombane, whose
efforts to implement oversight of Free State municipalities’ spending may have cost him
While I found the disregard for these warnings alarming, they awoke in me more
familiar feelings: feelings that most risk managers would know all too well.
-Irritation when risk management is treated as ‘compliance’ only.
-Disappointment at not being taken seriously when including real risks in my reports,
when pointing out real causes of those risks and when showing real consequences if
those risks were to materialise.
-Disempowerment when the accountabilities that my risk management framework
seeks to ensure, are negated and not keeping organisational role players to account, are
-Despair when my risk reports are changed, redacted, reduced (or worse, just not
submitted) because they include things that would make my leadership uncomfortable.
-Marginalisation when I realise that I am purposely excluded from key discussions,
because my reason for existence in my organisation may expose things that would
rather be kept hidden.
-Dismay if there is no effort by my leadership to understand what ‘risk appetite’ is and
how the continued disregard of the impact of wrong decisions can destroy us.
But most of all, exasperation when my reports are ‘NOTED’ by my governing body only
to be regarded as having failed to convey the message, when things go wrong.
As I read, I wondered what Madiba and Thabo Mbeki would say about the fact that they
wished away the warnings, tip-toed around the issues and bowed to public and party
pressures (diplomatically trying to keep a fragile governing system stable, but creating
huge future problems for many people, not least of which is the legitimacy of
I reflected back on minister Pravin Gordhan’s question at IRMSA’s 2018 Conference to
risk managers: ‘How did you miss state capture?’ And I felt like asking: ‘How did you not
hear us when we spoke out?’
Perhaps my message today is not so much to risk managers, as it is to leaders in all
spheres of our economy (public, private, non-profit organisations, and civil society); to
these executives, directors, society leaders, political heads and parliament, please
• take risk management seriously;
• understand that operating within ‘risk appetite’-levels when pursuing an ‘ethical
culture’, ‘legitimacy’, ‘good performance’ and ‘effective control’ will help organisations
• enable your risk managers, include them in key decisions; they may be the only ones
able to integrate all risk related information across your entire organisation so that you
can take informed decisions; and
• heed warnings that expose risk of wrongdoing; from the Free State to Steinhoff, it is
clear that organisations can on. To fail in risk management, is to fail our country, its
economy and its people.
Guest : Jarrad Ricketts
In times like these, music is one of the most powerful art forms that we have to help us
draw closer to our faith. While we cannot gather in churches and religious institutions
as we once did, with every song comes an opportunity to listen, and to be united with
others around the world.
The Testimony Edition of Lunchtime Live with Jarrad Ricketts is his version & message
of hope to you and for you. Music that lifts the spirits with songs that inspire hope right
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Guest : Eldred De Klerk | Senior policing and Social conflict specialist at Africa Centre
for Security and Intelligence Praxis |
Soldiers accused of assaulting an Alexandra man, who later succumbed to his injures,
have been cleared of the charges.
According to a report attached to an affidavit which was handed to the Gauteng High
Court, an internal inquiry found that the soldiers cannot be held responsible for Collins
The report stated that Khoza was "pushed” and “klapped” and “conscious and healthy
when the security forces left.”
According to the South African National Defence Force's report, an internal board of
inquiry has concluded its investigation into the incident on April 10 and found that
neither the SANDF nor the Joburg Metro Police were at fault.
This, in spite of a post mortem report stating that Khosa had died of blunt force trauma
to the head. According to the SANDF report, there is no link between the injuries he
sustained and the actions of the soldiers.
Guest : Pinky Mashiane | President at United Domestic Workers of South Africa |
All domestic workers will be allowed to go back to work during Alert Level 3,
cooperative governance and traditional affairs minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma
confirmed on Thursday.
Guest : Megan van der HovenLISTEN TO PODCAST
Guest : Dawn Carter - From Soul Direction |
Dawn Carter, an astrologer from Soul Direction and who can be reached through her
website (www.souldirection.co.za) and also on Facebook and Instagram.
Guest : Marcelle Du Plessis | Fund Raising and Communications Manager at
Mdzananda Animal Clinic Khayelitsha |
The voice of my next guest is one you're no doubt familiar with. Marcelle Du Plessis
often chats with us on the fund-raising efforts of the Mdzananda animal clinic
Apart from working with Mdzananda, she also runs a small Social Enterprise called
Lavender in Lavender Hill. The company produces a range of lavender products with a
social cause of job creation and entrepreneurial empowerment. The production line
comprises of community members working from their own homes and small
entrepreneurs to boost jobs and entrepreneurs.
Guest : Claudia Roodt
There are 3 things our brains cannot take: chronic unpredictability, isolation and
emotional or physical restraint.
All 3 of these factors are currently present in lockdown. How do we deal with this?
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Some say the pandemic will permanently change the auto industry….